was either even or slightly behind obama among seniors. remember, barack obama's base is minority voters, young people, and women. he gets very good numbers among young people. he lost senior citizens to john mccain. if he can neutralize that or reduce his margin, he's in much better shape. gwen: even though the enthusiasm of yuck people is not what it was four years ago. >> you ran that clip of governor romney talking about throwing in the towel. this is a collie slay in politics. the tea party movement worked from the outside to the inside. the whole notion is silly. why did he jump on it? he's kind of jumping on everything. why did he jump on it? what they see in their focus groups is obama voters from 2008 disappointed in the president who think he's just kind of stuck. he can't make things better. so the feeling is out there and now they're trying to say you see, he thinks he's stuck. gwen: wasn't that the danger in the immigration question? you promised you were going to do this and you didn't. that's a risky place for the president.